"El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!" (lightningzone)
02/23/2019 at 05:20 • Filed to: None
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"El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!" (lightningzone)
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As much as I like to make fun of our less progressive comrades in the flyover zone, it’s not their fault they were born in a field in Oklahoma. Filthy rich people and corporations, especially those on the left side, should be encouraged to lift up the caboose part of America, as people are less likely to waste time on internet conspiracy theories and hate spreading, if they there’s suddenly shit to do in their former, middle of nowhere, town.
vondon302
> El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
02/23/2019 at 07:21 |
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Elitist!
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> vondon302
02/23/2019 at 08:09 |
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Not at all. I want as much people as possible to have access to prosperity and progress. And culture. And better, more diverse food and shopping.
I want us to be more like Europe. There, not everyone advances at the same pace, but almost everyone advances. In America, a good chunk of the population feels more comfortable going backwards, than forward.
TheRealBicycleBuck
> El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
02/23/2019 at 08:17 |
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This attitude is exactly why people in the “flyover zone” don’t like people from the coasts. While there are some nuggets of truth, much of what he says comes from the perspective of someone outside, looking in. He’s never lived the rural life and he doesn’t understand what’s important and why. Most elitist assholes forget that the flyover people are the ones that feed the nation, provide the materials used to make their clothes, and the raw materials that provide just about everything else in their privileged lives. What isn’t provided by our working class is being supplied by some other nation’s working class because our elitist assholes were too short-sighted to keep those jobs here and moved them overseas in pursuit of ever-higher profits. The same people who claim such superiority were so dumb that they covered our prime farmland with housing. Now they bitch because our most productive farms create intense demands for water and fertilizer simply because they are located on marginal lands. The elite are too stupid to understand that they created the problem in the first place. Most of them are willing to jump onto the environmental bandwagon or try to tell country folk how the animals “should” be treated when they’ve never even seen a live cow or hatched a chicken or killed one of those animals for their dinner. They’ll sit there eating the $100 steak while waxing eloquent about how the rest of the nation should live their lives. They are nothing more than a bunch of hypocrites.
You want to make a difference? Require everyone to spend a year working on a farm so they really understand the other perspective.
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> TheRealBicycleBuck
02/23/2019 at 09:12 |
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There’s some truth in both points of view. The key is to see the world through the eyes of others. I grew up in Toledo and it’s a relatively small city and I hung out with farmers and other rural folk throughout my life. Then once I started working I ended up in Detroit and the demographics are way different. I’m definitely a more liberal person than I was in my high school and earlier years and I enjoy the different people I come in contact with on the daily.
I don’t buy into the fear mongering that has been put out there because I know a bunch of “group X” that’s supposedly out to get me, but I’ve seen the ones that are just like me, trying to make a way for their families. They may worship different than me, or eat differently than me, but they are just trying to live, like me and my family.
So the premise that diversification is good makes sense to me. And think of it this way, if those “elitist assholes” lived side by side with a few farmers, I think they would understand they aren’t so different after all.
When it comes down to it, it not about what makes us different, it’s what makes us the same that we should be focusing on a bit more. Then we can learn to appreciate the differences and be okay with them. We all just want to provide for our families and give our kids a leg up over what we had.
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TheRealBicycleBuck
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02/23/2019 at 09:26 |
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I, like you, have crossed the divide. I’ve lived in some of the biggest cities and also lived deep in the country. Having experience with both walks of life gives me a deeper understanding of how our nation works. My kids have led a much more privileged life than I, but we’ve worked hard to make sure they understand where they came from. They know to watch where they walk when crossing through a pasture.
I’m glad you read far enough through my rant to see that we agree. Everyone would be better off if they walked a few miles in the other’s shoes.
LongbowMkII
> El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
02/23/2019 at 09:30 |
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This explains why there are no regressive assholes in California or New York. /s
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vondon302
> El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
02/23/2019 at 09:35 |
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/s
Berang
> TheRealBicycleBuck
02/23/2019 at 09:46 |
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I have to be honest, the outrageously conceited attitude of rural folks is no worse than those of the people in cities. Feed the nation? Yeah the guy who loads the trucks, the truckers, the cashiers - are all just as indispensable in that chain of supply. There’s nothing special about being the guy who pays the migrants to do work for him. Talk about being hypocritical elitists.
I spent the first 18 years of my life in small towns and rural areas. Some of these people couldn’t pat themselves on the back harder.
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
02/23/2019 at 10:04 |
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It’s clear that you have no experience living the rural life. You don’t understand what’s important and why. Education has vastly improved across the nation, both in rural and urban areas. You have chosen to believe that all of the people in “flyover country” are uneducated country bumpkins. You assume that country folk are, in general, somewhat dumb. Here’s some news for you: there are more stupid people living in the urban areas than in the country. The percentages are the same, but the educational lower quartile of the four million people living in Los Angeles accounts for more people than live in the entire state of Arkansas.
What you fail to understand that we need people who choose the rural life. It’s called the breadbasket for a reason. Without people willing to produce food and raw materials, then we die as a nation. Learn to respect those people and their choices. They feed you. Literally.
You show your own elitism by assuming the people in flyover country have no “culture” . You have an orchestra, all they really need to make music is a guitar. Even our small town had a band program in the high school. It’s why I know how to play several instruments.
You have broadway, but our musicals are arguably better because a greater percentage of our people have to get involved simply because we don’t have as many people around to entertain us. Growing up, I spent time in the orchestral pit and I also spent time on stage.
It occurs to me that in many ways, the rural population has a greater breadth of experience than the urban population. Growing up, I was in the band, I was on stage, I played football, I wrestled, I ran track, I was taught leadership through the FAA and in student government. I learned animal husbandry, I learned how to swing an axe. I learned basic carpentry, wiring and plumbing. I learned how to fix my own car and jump a motorcycle without killing myself. I learned how to start a fire and keep it from burning down the forest. I’ve slept in a tent without freezing to death. I can hunt for my own food with a gun or a bow and I can catch some fish with a little line and a hook. I can also put on a tux and use the right silverware at a formal dinner, yet I know how to get my food from the serving table to my camp chair without the paper plate collapsing and spilling my food on the ground.
Best of all, I know how to be polite even when an asshole is telling me that he thinks he’s better than I am.
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> Berang
02/23/2019 at 10:18 |
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You clearly knew a different class of farmer than I did. Migrant workers are necessary where the crops must be picked by hand. I lived in land where row crops are the norm.
In my experience living in both rural and urban areas, the rural folks are more likely to not only know but also have a personal connection to the cashier, dock worker, and truck driver. I can’t tell you how many times the line has been held up because the customer is asking the cashier how her mother is doing.
Rural folks have an intimate understanding of the chain of supply. They depend on it to get the materials they need and have to deal with it when trying to get their own products to market.
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> TheRealBicycleBuck
02/23/2019 at 10:26 |
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There’s some truth in both points of view. The key is to see the world through the eyes of others. I grew up in Toledo and it’s a relatively small city and I hung out with farmers and other rural folk throughout my life. Then once I started working I ended up in Detroit and the demographics are way different. I’m definitely a more liberal person than I was in my high school and earlier years and I enjoy the different people I come in contact with on the daily.
I don’t buy into the fear mongering that has been put out there because I know a bunch of “group X” that’s supposedly out to get me, but I’ve seen the ones that are just like me, trying to make a way for their families. They may worship different than me, or eat differently than me, but they are just trying to live, like me and my family.
So the premise that diversification is good makes sense to me. And think of it this way, if those “elitist assholes” lived side by side with a few farmers, I think they would understand they aren’t so different after all.
When it comes down to it, it not about what makes us different, it’s what makes us the same that we should be focusing on a bit more. Then we can learn to appreciate the differences and be okay with them. We all just want to provide for our families and give our kids a leg up over what we had.
DipodomysDeserti
> El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
02/23/2019 at 10:34 |
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I want us to be more like Europe. There, not everyone advances at the same pace, but almost everyone advances.
When’s the last time you went to Europe? There are actual fas cist parties being elected into power all over Europe.
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Berang
> TheRealBicycleBuck
02/23/2019 at 11:08 |
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Then the people you knew understand how bogus it is to think they’re the most important part of the chain. I hate hearing that old saw. It’s what people tell themselves when they feel they should be more important than just one more link in the chain.
There is an all too common conceit though, that it’s the farms that do all the hard work, and everybody else is in the chain is just leaching off their work (not too surprisingly I’ve found
this sentiment is common in rural areas, but not among farmers themselves - although I have certainly met a couple who think this way).
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> DipodomysDeserti
02/23/2019 at 11:20 |
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I am in Europe right now, as I’ve been since 2016(I only flew home like 5 or 6 times since ). And yes, it’s true that some far right parties, mostly backed by Russia, using the 2016 Trump model, won seats in national parliaments and some countries with little democratic tradition(Poland and Hungary, I’m looking at you) allowed the ascension of leaders with autocratic tendencies, but the Union keeps its values and goals intact.
You can still get universal healthcare and free college in most European countries. You don’t see mainstream European politicians(apart for the mentioned exceptions) engaging in balant racism or sexism. You don’t see them invoking religion every two seconds and you don’t see them dismissing the people in need as freeloaders waiting for handouts. Hell, in Europe, a part of the Republican party would be on the fascist side.
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> TheRealBicycleBuck
02/23/2019 at 11:42 |
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Hey, chill out, I’ve got nothing against country folks, but farms are dusty and boring.
T here’s a lot of experiences you can get exposed to, in the city . Voluntarily or not, you can come into contact with people from the other side of the world, with the widest spectrum of views and ideas. You learn new stuff about cultures you never knew existed and you try out foods and drinks you never knew you’d like. You have access to museums that make you see the world and history in a new light.
You become wiser and more understanding, as you realize that your way is not the only way and that the flow of ideas gets enriched when it passes through a more diverse mass of people.
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> LongbowMkII
02/23/2019 at 11:57 |
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Nobody likes assholes, but what group of assholes from be low, would you prefer.
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
02/23/2019 at 12:24 |
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Farms are a monoculture. The countryside around them is a fascinating place full of genetic diversity an urbanite will never see.
For some reason, urbanites think that country folk have no access to diversity. I met many people from many lands my first year of college in a flyover state. I suppose they imagine we can’t drive because they assume we can’t get to a museum or the opera or have access to interesting food from other lands. The small town we settled in was established by polish settlers, so we had access to foods that weren’t readily available to the rest of the state. The next town over had an authentic German restaurant, so we could get a healthy helping of that wonderful blandness whenever we liked. The nearest city was an hour away, so it wasn’t unusual to go into town for authentic Chinese or Japanese or Mexican (not Tex-mex).
Cities aren’t all they’re cracked up to be. When the power goes out, people are less likely to have access to basic services (I know this because I work in disaster recovery). There’s almost no homeless people to be found in rural areas, but I have to deal with beggars every day when I’m in Houston. Most murders occur in the cities. More people live in poverty and survive on welfare in the cities.
You can talk about the “culture” all you want, but you cannot pretend that everyone there has access to all the things you say are so great.
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> Berang
02/23/2019 at 12:33 |
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There are self-important assholes in all walks of life. Most of the people I know realize that they are one link in a chain. I get riled up when self-important assholes like Bill Maher use their influence to belittle the very people they depend on for the food they eat, the clothes they wear, the fuel for the cars they drive, and the electricity that keeps their lights on. Even worse is when people take it for gospel truth and repost it.
They clearly haven’t thought about what would happen if all the rural folk took up those jobs and “bettered” themselves. We are already losing the rural population due to migration to the cities. This makes it harder to produce the food and get it to market. They fail to understand basic economics - pricing and wages and labor forces and transportation costs and so on.
They might as well say, “let them eat cake.”
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> TheRealBicycleBuck
02/23/2019 at 12:43 |
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Exactly. It’s all too easy to fall into the us vs them mentality. But a bit harder to try to see things from the other point of view.
Just another reason I enjoy oppo. So many walks of life and strong opinions, but also able to co-exist with others of differing views. Makes it a nice place to frequent.
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LongbowMkII
> El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
02/23/2019 at 18:28 |
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Both are just as capable of banding up and attacking minorities.
duurtlang
> DipodomysDeserti
02/24/2019 at 06:07 |
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There are actual fascist parties being elected into power all over Europe.
Most European countries have a multi-party democracy, not the 2-party one the US has. There is no winner-takes-all system, they are representative . So small (political) minorities can get their candidates a seat as well. Sometimes, those candidates are utter assholes. But someone more fascist than Trump having actual power (as in: not in the opposition but in government) in the never-communist parts of Europe? I haven’t seen it. Poland and Hungary are regressing though, that is for sure.
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DipodomysDeserti
> duurtlang
02/24/2019 at 06:42 |
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Definitely, but I think Mateo Salvini fits the bill as being someone more fascist than Trump with real power in a non former bloc country.
As bad as rural America is, I’ve seen racism on par with it in some major Eurooean cities (I’m looking at you, Paris).
The last stock SC 5speed
> El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
02/24/2019 at 20:52 |
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There’s plenty of shit to do here in the middle of nowhere, in Oklahoma. Especially if “shit to do” includes honest productive work. Not that you would know that, you’re too busy spreading your hatred of me and people like me to find out for yourself.
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The last stock SC 5speed
> El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
02/24/2019 at 21:10 |
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This guy makes an absurd hate filled post about people from Oklahoma needing more diverse food and shopping so we won’t spread hate and internet conspiracies, gets challenged and responds with an actual internet conspiracy.
gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
> El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
02/24/2019 at 21:40 |
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it takes 2 to tango. Companies dont’ want to wait or pay for training , people don’t want to move, and people have to be willing to try other lines of work .
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/06/the-graying-of-rural-america/485159/
I used to have this problem with a division out in the midwest. It was always a crap shoot of who I would get working with. Some folks were awesome, others shouldn’t be trusted with a mop. And if anything was ever said, it was always the same “yeah we have such a hard problem getting folks to move out here”. The hub gravity of major businesses is only accelerating. I work about 75 miles from 2 large cities, and even though we were near some of their branches, even then we have been spoken like we’re on mars.
Companies aren’t going to move or focus unless they get something in it for them. They won’t do it for the good of the community, unless the government steps in and forces them, and to a large portion of the population thats socialism.
i h ave two uncles that after getting laid off, refused to look at other occupations and anything below what they were previously making, as well as refuse to learn how to use a computer, which for even basic jobs is now required. . .
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-trump-effect-coal-retraining-insight-idUSKBN1D14G0
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The last stock SC 5speed
> El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
02/24/2019 at 21:46 |
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I’m calling spoof post on this thread. Pint of F5 IPA says he’s a smart ass square toe boot wearing college kid at Texas Tech or a place just like it.
davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
> The last stock SC 5speed
02/25/2019 at 11:29 |
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Mmm... F5.